Hey, everybody. Welcome to waking up to narcissism. Also, this is definitely, this episode is going to

play on a virtual couch feed as well because this is a big one. This is something I've been

working on for a very long time because we are going to talk about one of the subjects I think

does not get enough air, and that is emotional immaturity. I cannot wait to take you on the journey that

we're going to go on today. But first, before we dive into today's episode, I want to share an email

that that is going to act as today's muse, because this person's questions are so perfect that they

could have scripted today's topic themselves, which I think that you'll see they kind of do.

We'll call the person Mark.

Mark says, hey, Tony, I've been a devoted listener of both the virtual couch and waking up

to narcissism for years now, literally listening while folding laundry, commuting, and once

embarrassingly in a Sunday school class at church, when I honestly don't know what happened, but my earbud

disconnected. And thankfully, you weren't talking about your coronography recovery program for the full

30 seconds that you were loudly echoing in the church classroom while I tried to figure out what

was happening. My wife also listens to you from time to time, but she definitely does not like it

when I say to her things like, tell me more about that. Or I didn't know what I didn't know. And that's a you thing,

which I now understand is actually a me thing. First, I want to thank you for consistently

clarifying the difference between having narcissistic personality disorder and simply displaying

emotionally immature behaviors. that distinction has been genuinely

life-changing for me.

When I first started learning about narcissism, I went through the classic phase of,

oh no, is everybody in my life a narcissist?

Am I a narcissist?

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