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I had read a couple books in a row that were all thrillers, and it just ended up that

in each case, whoever the kidnapper was, the murderer was, it was an infertile woman

who just could not mentally get a handle on her situation and would, you know, kidnap

a pregnant woman and steal her baby or had some sort of bitterness that would show up

in villainy. Like obviously, infertile women are unhinged monsters who are going to commit

crimes, which as an infertile person myself, I have never had that inclination. We do

have other things going on besides thinking about kidnapping babies.

Hey y'all and welcome to Unladylike. I'm Caroline. I'm Kristen. Last week on the podcast,

we talked about being child-free by choice and all of the assumptions that come with it,

that you're too selfish or materialistic or surely you must hate kids. And today, we're

looking at the flip side of being child-free, being child-free not by choice or at least

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