I'm Brian Lehrer. This is my daily politics podcast from WNYC Studios. It's Tuesday, November 30th.

In Kenosha, Wisconsin, there was, of course, the acquittal of Kyle Rittenhouse based on his controversial claim that he was acting in self-defense.

The case raised issues of where the line is for a self-defense claim when you allegedly provoke the confrontation in the first place.

You know all that.

Well, there's another murder case in Kenosha, Wisconsin, that also

involves a controversial claim of defending oneself, but under very different circumstances.

But like Kyle Rittenhouse, the defendant was just 17 when the killing occurred. And like with

Kyle Rittenhouse, this case could have implications for what the law

considers a threat to a person before they're allowed to kill. Do you know about this case yet?

The defendant is Crystal Kaiser. She's now 21. When she was 17, she killed her alleged sexual

abuser and sex trafficker,

a man named Randall Philip Volar III.

With us now to explain what's at stake for Crystal Kaiser

and potentially many victims of child sex trafficking.

Our two guests, Cammy Chavis,

director of the Criminal Justice Program

at the Wake Forest University School of Law,

and Washington Post correspondent Jessica Contrera, who is writing about the Crystal Kaiser case

and sex trafficking law more broadly, including for the post site The Lilly, which concentrates

on issues relevant to millennial women. Professor Chavis and Jessica Contrera, thank you so much for

your time today. Welcome to WNYC. Thank you. Thank you. So Jessica, tell our listeners who may never

have even heard this name before, many of them, who is Crystal Kaiser, and under what circumstances

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