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Years ago, I remember when Jeff Carlin came up to me, I was at the Tribune having my usual fresh air break,

having a cigarette, ammo filter.

We're on the wall of the Tribune Tower.

I'm looking west across the street.

And there, Jeff is saying, the reason why people want to hear this podcast, the Chicago

Way podcast, he was pitching me then, is because people want to know the nitty gritty of things that happen.

They want to know how you write the column.

They want to know what happens on the inside of things.

Well, listen, what about a judge telling you a story about the demise of public order in Chicago,

the breakdown of public order, and the rise of the anarchy?

It happened when a bunch of judges were called together in a meeting by Tim Evans,

who was carrying out orders by boss Tony Preckwinkle,

president of the Cook County Board and chairman of the Cook County Democratic Party.

And what did she want done?

She wanted the jails emptied.

The jails emptied of violent criminals.

She wanted them out.

She didn't want them in jail.

The guy who's going

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