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The New Yorker Radio Hour

Chelsea Manning on Life After Prison

The New Yorker Radio Hour

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4.26.2K Ratings

🗓️ 20 October 2017

⏱️ 36 minutes

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Summary

In 2010, the Army intelligence analyst Chelsea Manning, then known as Bradley Manning, sent nearly seven hundred and fifty thousand classified military and diplomatic documents to WikiLeaks. The leak earned Manning a thirty-five-year prison sentence, which was commuted by President Obama to seven years. Less than five months out of prison, she sat down with The New Yorker’s Larissa MacFarquhar at the 2017 New Yorker Festival. Manning discussed her tumultuous upbringing, including her months living as a homeless teen in Chicago; her highly public gender transition; and her treatment in military prison. She also described the quick decision that led her to send the documents to WikiLeaks. Having seen “All the President’s Men,” Manning had originally intended to send the documents to the Washington Post or The New York Times, but, at the time, she said, the newspapers struggled to provide her with the security protocols she insisted on. Only WikiLeaks offered the necessary level of security, and she took the chance. “I was running out of time,” she told MacFarquhar. “They just had the tools available, they knew how to use them. That’s all it boiled down to. I had to go back to Iraq.” Though the trial is behind her, Manning maintains a fierce conviction that her leak posed no threat to U.S. soldiers or local sources in Iraq or Afghanistan, a fact disputed by the government and many N.G.O.s disputed by many, including leading human-rights groups. Her disclosures profoundly embarrassed the government, made WikiLeaks a household name, and, by some accounts, served as a catalyst for the Arab Spring. But Manning hopes to be done with the leaks, and to spend the next phase of her life as an advocate for trans people.

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0:00.0

Welcome to the New Yorker Radio Hour. I'm David Remnick. I'm glad you could join us today because we're going to do something really special. The 2017 New Yorker Festival just took place this month. And we're going to be bringing you some of the

0:21.0

highlights throughout the year. First up today is an interview with Chelsea Manning, who was convicted

0:26.4

for sending military and diplomatic documents to WikiLeaks, 750,000 documents. Manning was recently

0:34.2

released from prison, and she spoke with Larissa McFarker, who's been a staff writer here since 1998.

0:40.5

Yep, that's right.

0:41.3

Larissa, how are you doing?

0:42.5

I'm very well, thank you.

0:43.9

Chelsea Manning's case was front page news all over the world.

0:47.7

So could you take us back a little bit and tell us exactly what was at stake in this?

0:53.1

So Chelsea Manning, she was then known as Bradley Manning.

0:56.4

She was an Army intelligence analyst who, through her work, had access to all kinds of internal government documents, also videos.

1:04.8

And some had to do with the area she was charged with analyzing, which was dangers and significant events on the

1:11.9

ground in Iraq while she was there, which was the late 2000s. But she also had access to hundreds

1:18.5

of thousands of cables from the State Department, some going back many years, and those were

1:22.9

included in her leak. And, you know, at the time in 2010, of course, Rafi Kachadurian published a major

1:30.1

piece about WikiLeaks in that year, but this was earlier in that year. And it was still a very

1:34.9

tiny organization that had published quite a few secret documents. Some were protocols for

1:41.9

the management of Guantanamo, for instance, or the contents of Sarah Palin's private Yahoo account.

1:47.9

But it wasn't a big player on the scene.

1:50.1

It wasn't yet widely known.

1:51.5

And, of course, when it published her documents, all of that changed.

1:55.3

And as if they weren't complicated enough, the day after the sentence was handed down, Manning's lawyers announced that Bradley Manning was transitioning to life as a woman. And she, Chelsea Manning, immediately became one of the most famous trans people in the world, didn't she? She did. She became a hero to many people for being brave enough to announce her identity in that way when she had the world's attention.

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