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slash voxpod this is recode media with peter kofka that is me and there are two big stories in tech that we have not

spent enough time on recently. One is the AI boom and we're gonna fix that problem

in the very very near future. Stay tuned. And the other one is the TikTok boom and the possible

end of the TikTok boom and we're gonna work on that one today. TikTok, as you know, is the

dominant entertainment app in the U.S. It's also owned by a Chinese company, and for the moment,

those two facts don't seem to be compatible. We've been hearing about a possible TikTok ban

since Donald Trump's last year at office. Those rumblings are getting loud again.

I remain skeptical that we're going to see much movement on this in the end,

mostly because I don't see the political will to take away something that tens of millions of Americans really, really like.

And by the way, something that politicians, including Democrats, have learned to embrace last year on this show.

For instance, we had Nell Thomas, the CTO of Democratic National Committee, tell us that she was advising candidates to use TikTok because that's where

the voters were. So let's dive into TikTok from two different angles. First up, we've got a quintessential

TikTok success story. Someone who never made a TikTok until a year ago and without really trying, really at all,

has become a full-fledged TikTok star in a way that has changed his life. And then we talk

politics and practicalities of TikTok with Will and Remus at the Washington Post, who's doing a really

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