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There are so many different fields of expertise and jobs and jobs and certain spaces where someone chooses to work in. And I am just so fascinated with this particular area of expertise that our next

guest works in. This person is a leading forensic psychologist, trauma expert, training,

professional, and author. She addresses diverse topics, including post-traumatic stress disorder,

multicultural therapeutic techniques, gang intervention, prison reform, human trafficking,

violence against women, substance abuse, relationships, parenting, and mental health.

Y'all, I'm excited about Dr. Deborah Warner joining us today. She's a professor in Los Angeles,

I think, but today she's joining us from Columbia University in New York. Like, she is everywhere.

And she's often asked to be an expert witness, psychological evaluator, and consultant. So she's an expert witness that is evaluator and consultant.

So she's an expert witness that is asked to testify on court cases.

Y'all know my field or my major was criminal justice at one time. And so I am just thrilled to be talking to Dr. Deborah Warner today.

So please stay tuned.

If you're a crime junkie like me, stay listening.

Welcome, welcome to another episode of checking in. I'm so grateful for everybody who downloads episodes. It seems like you're telling everybody about checking in and we cannot do,

we cannot even be in a season three without y'all checking in. Today's guest, I'm so excited.

I'm literally about to, if I had children, they would probably say, you're embarrassing me because you know how you have

parents that say, you know, when I was growing up, I wanted to be an astronaut.

I wanted to be a doctor.

So they start telling you all the things that they did, right?

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