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Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

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Another Day with Ana Marie Cox

Ana Marie Cox and Open Mike Eagle

News, Arts, Performing Arts, Business, Society & Culture, Politics

4.66.4K Ratings

🗓️ 13 September 2019

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

This week Avery Trufelman (@trufelman) joins Ana Marie Cox (@anamariecox) to discuss the possibility of a better tomorrow. Avery’s new show Nice Try! Is a podcast about various failed attempts at utopias across the ages, and what our (maybe) crumbling civilization can learn from those who came before us. Good intentions aren’t enough of a foundation for our future without, you know, literal foundations. Article referenced by Avery: How Millennials Became The Burnout Generation Thanks to our sponsors! With Stamps.com you can access all the amazing services of the Post Office, right from your desk, 24/7, when it’s convenient for you. Buy and print official U.S. postage for any letter, any package using your own computer & printer – and the mail carrier picks it up. To get a 4-week trial, free postage, and a digital scale, go to Stamps.com, click on the microphone at the TOP of the homepage and type in FRIENDS. Rothy’s are the everyday flats for life on the go. They’re stylish and versatile, and they go with everything from yoga pants to dresses and skirts. Rothy’s come in a wide range of colors and patterns, and they’re available in four different silhouettes. Plus, they’re constantly launching new styles, so you’re guaranteed to find a pair—or three—you love. Go to Rothys.com/wflt to get your new favorite flats. ThirdLove is the industry leader with 70 sizes, including its signature half-cups sizes. Hands down this is the most comfortable bra you’ll own. Tagless labels means no itching, plus straps that won't slip, ultra-soft smoothing fabrics, and lightweight, super thin memory foam cups. ThirdLove knows there’s a perfect bra for everyone, so right now go to Thirdlove.com/friends now to find your perfect-fitting bra… and get 15% off your first purchase!

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0:00.0

Hi, I'm Anna Marie Cox and welcome to With Friends Like These.

0:08.8

An ongoing interest of this show is what happens when people have the best intentions.

0:15.3

Now usually we talk about that in terms of relationships and politics.

0:19.0

Today we're going to talk about the absolute best intentions one can have.

0:23.6

Literally the absolute best.

0:25.6

Perfection.

0:26.6

Perfection.

0:27.6

In, you know, the world.

0:31.2

Today we're going to talk about utopias.

0:35.0

We're going to talk about them with Avery Truffleman.

0:38.3

She's a staff producer at the Design Podcast, 99% Invisible.

0:42.2

She hosts her own spin-off podcast called Articles of Interest.

0:45.6

That's about fashion.

0:47.0

And she most recently has become the host of Nice Try, a podcast from Curved and Vox Media.

0:53.0

About utopias.

0:55.0

And before we talk to her, just going to give you a little taste.

0:58.8

I think this example will show you something that Avery and I wind up coming back to a few times,

1:04.2

which is somebody's utopia is always someone else's dystopia.

1:10.6

Lawson Deming works in visual effects.

1:13.5

And in 2015, he was tasked with digitally recreating a city that never was.

1:20.2

A task not unlike rebuilding a Mesopotamia or a Babylon.

1:25.1

Deming had some source material to go off of for this lost city.

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