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From Cafe, this is third degree. I'm Ellie Honig.

Back when I was a prosecutor, I tried in supervised cases where at the end of closing arguments to the jury, I was confident the jury would convict.

And I wound up bitterly disappointed.

For example, when I tried John Gotti Jr., I thought we had him. After I made my

closing argument to the jury, a grumpy old school New York tabloid reporter walked up to me in the

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