Chatter: UFO Culture, with Sarah Scoles
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
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🗓️ 18 September 2024
⏱️ 77 minutes
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Summary
Science journalist Sarah Scoles has written extensively about astronomy and the UFO community, including in her 2021 book They Are Already Here. She joined David Priess to discuss how scientists look at ETs, pop cultural takes on first contact with extraterrestrials, the incredible influence of Carl Sagan's Contact, the Allan Hills meteorite, the evolution over time of beliefs about aliens contacting humans, how the Roswell myth emerged, the International UFO Congress, the Mutual UFO Network, UFO investigators, seeing lights around Area 51, SETI salvationalism, extraterrestrial-visitation belief as a religious movement, and more.
Works mentioned in this episode:
The book Contact by Carl Sagan
The movie Contact
The book Making Contact by Sarah Scoles
The book They Are Already Here by Sarah Scoles
The book Countdown by Sarah Scoles
The event "UAP: The Search for Clarity," at the Michael V. Hayden Center for Intelligence, Policy, and International Security, November 15, 2023
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| 1:47.0 | The UFO conspiracy is actually one of the ground-level kind of gateway drug sorts of conspiracies. |
| 1:55.0 | Especially right now I think very socially acceptable to be like, yeah, I think aliens are here. |
| 1:59.2 | You know, I saw that story in the New York Times about the Pentagon investigating UFOs. |
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