Chatter: Pandemics and Political Violence with Brian Michael Jenkins
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.4K Ratings
🗓️ 4 December 2022
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Plagues periodically exact a heavy toll on human life—and much more. They devastate economies, exacerbate social disorder, shock governance systems, provide fodder for political violence, and interact in surprising ways with terrorism.
In this episode of Chatter, David Priess and longtime RAND Corporation terrorism expert Brian Michael Jenkins talk about the long nature of pandemics, the history of public resistance to efforts to protect public health, links between plagues and social unrest, how the concept of comorbidity applies to the effects of pandemics, the relationship between plagues and political violence, the challenges of rumors and rapid communication, the threat of biological terrorism, and pragmatic ways to counter domestic political violence.
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| 0:25.6 | or no bull and the aftermath. |
| 0:32.6 | I'm Will Appleton with an episode of chatter for December 4, 2022. |
| 0:41.3 | For today's episode, the team at LawFair decided to cross post this week's episode of |
| 0:45.3 | chatter, a podcast hosted by David Pries and Shane Harris that features in-depth discussions |
| 0:51.0 | with fascinating people at the creative edges of national security. |
| 0:54.9 | Today's episode of chatter is entitled Pandemics and Political Violence with Brian Michael |
| 0:59.4 | Jenkins. |
| 1:00.7 | In the episode, Pries and Jenkins chat about the threat of biological terrorism, the links |
| 1:05.0 | between social and rest and plagues, the history of public resistance to efforts to protect |
| 1:09.6 | public health and more. |
| 1:11.7 | This is chatter. |
| 1:22.4 | Welcome to chatter. |
| 1:25.4 | I'm David Pries, publisher of LawFair. |
| 1:26.1 | This week, terrorism expert Brian Michael Jenkins on pandemics and political violence. |
| 1:33.3 | We've seen in the United States a statistical increase of homicides by 38 percent. |
| 1:39.5 | It's the largest gain that we've seen in many, many decades. |
| 1:45.5 | We've seen to be on edge quick to violence that was a feature that was noted in the middle |
| 1:53.5 | agents following the Black Death. |
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