I mean I only talk about Ego a lot because of the fields that I'm in like in architecture

there's so much ego involved like people will say did you design that building and I'm like

I designed it with people because I wasn't the one that design that

people because I wasn't the one that directly drew all the details.

Maybe I like led a meeting, led the general idea.

I'm not the one that actually did it. You know, there's lots of, there's contractors that built it even though we drew it. So is, design is successful based on the team around you, not on the person.

That was Tiffany Shaw Collins and this is part two of my conversation with her.

In part one she talked about her Mayte lineage and how integral it is to her

craft and to her identity. In this next part, Tiffany talks about her preference for working

in a collective, that the whole is always greater

than the sum of its parts, and that her ultimate goal is to convey a sense of wonder and belonging

in every project she's part of. So here's the second part of my conversation with

Tiffany Shaw Collins. Welcome to Chattermarks, a podcast of the Anchorage Museum dedicated to exploring Alaska's identity through the creative and critical thinking of ideas, past, present, and future.

My name is Cody Liska, and I'll be your host.

My name is Cody Liska and I'll be your host.

So you're an artist, a curator, and an architect. Yes. Which one came first? The

artist, the curator, or the architect?

The artist came first because it seemed more viable.

I mean, I've always wanted to do art and architecture, like since I was like four or five but as I got older I felt like I just

wasn't smart enough to be an architect so art was more natural to me I felt like I

could pass it easy enough so I just went through my fine arts degree and sort of just took architecture off the table when I got older.

But then after I got my fine arts degree I came back from Nova Scotia where I completed my

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