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From New York Public Radio, WNYC, and NPR.

Hello, Chad here. This is Radio Lab, the podcast.

Coming to you now with not one of our big hour-long situations, but rather one of those

in-betweens that we do between seasons. Our next season is about two months off, and one of the

programs that we're going to be presenting is about people who fall in love with science,

and then fall out of love with science.

And in that spirit, we thought we'd play a conversation for you now, which is more on the

falling in love side.

Robert Crowich, my esteemed co-host, who you will hear in just a moment, recently interviewed

maybe one of the greatest scientists alive, really.

E.O. Wilson.

He is a biologist. He is an entomologist, meaning he studies bugs.

He's an author. A world-famous conservationist.

He recently started the Encyclopedia of Life,

which tries to make a list of every single species on the planet.

He discovered so many things about how animals communicate, which you'll hear in a moment,

particularly ants. And if you heard our emergence show, you will recognize a bit from that

show that repeats in this conversation. But it's really cool to hear the whole conversation without too many edits, which is what

are going to play for you now.

So here it is.

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