Did you believe it?

I had three questions.

One is, is it real?

Two is, if it is real, is it from God?

And then three is, if it's from God, what does it mean?

This is touched by heaven.

Every day encounters with God.

Those moments when heaven and earth collide.

And we see God in these encounter stories with angels, divine intervention,

prophetic dreams, visions, near-death experiences i'm your host

trapper jack i was sitting here just going how do i how do i get into this episode and and i

always talk about how songs bubble up in my head seemingly out of nowhere and there was one playing

and the song genesis phil collins it's called that's All. And it says, you say day, I say night,

you say black, I say white. And it's obviously, and it's, this whole song is about disagreement,

argument, back and forth. And I'm going, oh, that's, that's a great way to introduce this episode.

Arguments. Arguments. Where? In the church. The church for the last

2,000 years, and especially the last 500 years, it's arguments where you say this and I say that.

And it could be about the Pope. It could be the, well, of course, Peter, the first Pope. No, he was.

That was just back then. You don't need a Pope. Church is to be driven by the Holy Spirit. And the Catholics say, Holy Spirit, you got 40,000 different denominations. What are you guys talking about? You got 40,000 different flavors of the Holy Spirit. And another side says, well, what about the Eucharist? Well, obviously, that's Jesus. No, it's not Jesus. It's a symbol. And you go,

you say day, I say night. Super real for me was the supernatural evidence to back up the apologetic

and the historical evidence, right? And Tim Francis, my guest, now this is Tim's stories, not your story.

It's kind of like my story in that The Miraculous woke me up.

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