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Folks, I'm talking to Andrew Claven.

He has a brand new book out.

Highly recommended The Truth and Beauty,

how the Lives and Works of England's greatest poets point the way to a deeper

understanding of the words of Jesus. Where in the world did you get this idea? It's almost

funny. It's totally counterintuitive. It's like it could be like, you know, how the paintings

of the 15th century. I mean, you obviously, Andrew, were a student of these poets for a while. So let me ask you that.

How did you find your way into caring about their literature? Because obviously, their literature

helped you understand the words of Jesus, which can be perplexing,

if we're honest. But how did you find your way to these poets to begin with?

Well, I'd always loved them. Mostly it was Keats. I found first his life was so romantic,

so dramatic, so tragic that it had a lot of appeal to a young man who was himself troubled,

namely me, you know, and so when I found him as a young man, I just thought this guy is a

really dramatic character, his striving to be a great writer, which I wanted to be, his

desperation, his problem. He never succeeded in his life. He died thinking himself a failure,

which is one of the parts of the book that I could barely write without like, you know, breaking down

because it was so painful to watch this young man pass away thinking I failed at everything

when in fact he had succeeded at every single thing he was trying to do. So that's what really

brought me in. And then I read all the poets because they're such great poets, and each one of them

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