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I wanted to come at the Permaffrost and challenge this narrative that it is the kind of

apocalyptic object, for once of a better word, a substance, but also to challenge the idea

of permafrost as just a kind of scientific thing, that science has a strategy for understanding permafrost, and it is kind of the only thing that is worth knowing about.

Permaphrast is permanently frozen ground for two or more years at a temperature of zero degrees or below.

That is the official scientific definition.

But I kind of found that to be lacking. So, yeah, I just wanted to approach Permaphrast

to resist this idea of it as an apocalypse or as a scientific object that is able to be

fully understood.

Today we're speaking with Charlotte Wrigley, a postdoctoral fellow at the Greenhouse

Environmental Humanities Center at the University of Savanger.

Her research sits at the intersection between human geography, environmental humanities, and

Arctic studies, and is concerned with thinking through the relations between humans,

animals, and the material landscape in the Anthropocene.

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