So I always ask the question to Bernie Sanders supporters, do you trust the government? And almost always, they say, no, no, the government's bought by lobbyists and corporations and by the war machine. I say, why the earth would you want to make that government bigger? It goes without saying, conservatism and more importantly, conservatives have had few places to turn on college campus. So where does that leave young conservative students? In 2012, a determined 18-year-old kid named Charlie Kirk took it upon himself to answer that question.

His answer?

Turning Point USA, an organization whose mission is to educate, train, and organize students through their campus chapters in yearly events.

Over the past eight years, Charlie has grown TPUSA's reach to over 1,500 campuses throughout the nation.

In 2016, Charlie joined then-candidate Donald Trump's campaign, and he's been a steadfast

supporter of the president ever since.

His newest book is The MAGA Doctrine, the only idea is that will win the future.

In our conversation, Charlie and I dive head first into whether President Trump has been

good for the conservative movement, what it will take for Republicans to hold the White House, as well as why the same Democratic

candidate he hopes will face President Trump in 2020 is also the one that terrifies him most.

Welcome, this is the Ben Shapiro Show Sunday special. Charlie Kirk is joining us today.

Now, just a reminder, we'll be doing some bonus questions with Charlie. The only way to get access to that part of the conversation is to become a member. Head on over to dailywire.com.

Become a member. You'll have access to all of the full conversations with every one of our awesome

guests. Charlie, thanks so much for joining us. I just want to make it clear from the very outset that it appears that Charlie and I are an equal eye level. There is an Apple box. For President Trump, there's an Apple box, there's a ladder, and I'm on stilts. That's the only way that we're able to actually make this happen. We see eye to eye here. now we're on the same level. We'll see if we see eye to eye throughout the whole conversation.

I think we might.

Okay, so why don't we start with your background for people who only know you from the memes?

And this will be memeable.

Like, just making clear, you're free to use this however you want in terms of memes, people.

Okay, now we't go to college. How did you decide, number one, not going to college? Number two, going to do student activism. And number three, going to start one of the largest student organizations in the country.

Well, thank you, Ben.

It's an honor to be here.

I appreciate it very much.

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