Hey, everybody. Welcome to an emergency broadcast. I'm a great podcast. I'm Jared J.R. G. Sacks. I'm here with Nick

Houseman. We were recording this on Wednesday, September 10th. A couple of hours ago, Turning Point USA founder, Charlie Kirk, was doing an event at Utah Valley University and was shot and killed. Kirk was 31 years old

and one of the most influential right-wing radicalizers and organizers in the country. Nick,

there's a lot to discuss here, a lot to look at, not just in terms of the actual event, but what might very well be on the

horizon. What are your initial thoughts on Kirk's assassination? Well, you know, I was on a plane

and I only had access to texting and I heard people text, you know, I started getting some

texting, he's dead right after he was shot. And I,

the range of emotions had gone through me in terms of I didn't even know who they were talking

about. It was very interesting. So I suppose what was I thinking first? You know, the guy has said a

lot of things that are extremely inflammatory, probably purposefully to do that.

And he's also sort of characterized himself as one of those Ben Shapiro-style intellectuals who doesn't

have a lot of, you know, true information behind him. So it's not easy to really have empathy for a guy

like this, but clearly, you know, the fact that he was, you know,

a family, had a family and he has people who are dependent on him is certainly a tragedy.

And just another example of like, we're going somewhere. The Paul over the proceedings for the

last, however long, it's been a long time now. It keeps getting worse. That feeling of anxiety

isn't

improving uh isn't helping me helping anybody out here so i think that's it's just another it's just

another notch in the uh in in what's where we're going um i i i feel first things first um you know

kirk is one of those individuals that has elevated himself in a way that has been disreputable and harmful.

Hardly anyone in this country has done more to radicalize young people.

It's been his action at turning point all along,

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