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The Documentary Podcast

Charlie Kirk and free speech

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 20 September 2025

⏱️ 23 minutes

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Summary

The shooting of conservative US activist Charlie Kirk has intensified what was already a bitter divide between those who found him inspiring, and those who believed he spread hate with his views on subjects like gay marriage, Islam and abortion. Since he was killed at a university rally in Utah, some fear the whole idea of free speech and what it means is now in the balance. We hear from some of Kirk’s supporters, and from others who worry about where the US is heading.

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0:00.0

BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts.

0:09.0

Hello, I'm Rahul Tandon.

0:13.6

Welcome to the documentary from the BBC World Service.

0:17.7

In BBCOS conversations, we bring people together to share their experiences and their

0:23.4

views. This time, people discuss free speech in the wake of Charlie Kirk's death.

0:30.2

Right-wing US commentator Charlie Kirk was celebrated by his many fans as a champion of free speech.

0:37.6

Others, though, saw it differently, accusing him of spreading hate.

0:42.1

Since he was killed, less than a fortnight to go at a university rally in Utah,

0:47.2

the two sides are further apart than ever.

0:50.2

The whole idea of free speech and what it means is in the balance.

0:55.1

Some Americans on the left believe views like Kirk's,

0:58.5

including his strong rejection of gay marriage,

1:01.3

criticism of Islam,

1:03.0

and opposition to abortion cross a line and are dangerous.

1:07.8

But this week, we hear from people who take a different view, including some who

1:12.7

predict a bleak future for their country if the right to debate controversial and contested

1:19.1

topics is threatened. Democracy is built on the foundation of free and fair public discourse in the

1:25.1

public square and an attack on Charlie or anybody else for

1:27.5

that fact is an attack on all of us. And if we no longer have the ability or feel comfortable

1:32.0

expressing our opinions in public or at all, that is a loss.

1:38.9

The conversations you'll hear this week are with Charlie Kirk supporters, but also with people who defend the

1:45.6

right of anyone with strong views to speak out. Carrie Bartholomew is from Mums for America,

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