Charles Wesley Godwin. I'm the podcast and I'm not blowing smoke right here. I was saying this to

Wes before we started. I was driving today and I went into the gym. I was listening to your both

of your albums and I happened for a long time and I was like, you're probably like my favorite

artists right now, like no bullshit. I'm like going back to it, going back to my kid loads and

he's a year and a half. I play your stuff. They all beat stuff he likes. He's going to use this

solar stuff. But man, I'm like, you're people that don't know who you are. I almost like get offended.

So that's when I know like somebody is like one of my favorite artists. So just want to think

and shout out about that. I appreciate that. Thank you. Yep. So the new album is How The Mighty

Fall Following Center. Coach was amazing as well. Yeah. The storytelling and the imagery and

everything the way you write, I mean, it's pretty spectacular. In my opinion, there's not a lot of

people out there that can do what you do. Where did that come from? The writing. And I didn't,

you know, I didn't find music until I was already grown up. So I started in my early 20s,

probably started writing songs when I was 22. And it just, luckily, you know, I found it,

it turned out to be one of these, one of the things that I love in life. And I just got a passion

for it. And nobody ever taught me. I just, you know, I don't know. I just worked at it.

It's something honest to God, man, I just love it. And I think even if I wasn't doing this for

living, I probably write these same songs and go down to an open mic, you know, once or twice a

week and play them for fun. I'm honestly in it for the love of it. I mean, that's the best.

How did you get started? Because I think I read on your on your website that you were in Estonia

when you really started kind of like honing in on like, oh, maybe I want to like do some music

when you were just being abroad. Is that the case?

Yeah, that was like the turning point. That was like the turning point in my life.

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