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Hi, I'm Toby Young, one of Quilets London-based editors.

Last July, I attended the annual conference of the International Society of Intelligence Researchers in Minneapolis,

and one of the speakers was the political scientist Charles Murray.

He kindly agreed to sit down with me to talk about his new book, Human Diversity, The Biology of Gender, Race and Class, which I hadn't

read at that point because he'd only just turned in the manuscript.

He asked Quillette not to publish the podcast until the book's official publication date, which is today, January the 27th.

I began by asking him to give me an overview of the book. I have an analogy that I think works pretty well, where I try to explain to the reader why I do such different things with

race, class, and gender.

I have five chapters about gender and four of those are about phenotypics. about

fenotific differences, meaning differences that we observe.

One of them is about what brain

neuroscience is telling us about the sources of those differences.

And the reason we can do that is because the archaeological dig,

if you want to think of it that way, for gender,

is very well advanced.

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