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no bull and the aftermath.

My head exploded when I started to read pre Pearl Harbor history, the narrative of American

exceptionalism, which was so powerful from the very beginning was a very different kind

of exceptionalism than the one that we're used to.

Now today, American exceptionalism is used to justify intervention and global engagement.

For much of American history, it was the opposite.

It was, the United States needs to protect its exceptional experiments in liberty by keeping

the outside world at bay.

I'm David Prius and this is the LawFair podcast, October 13, 2020.

Many of us think of the story of the United States interaction with the world as one

of relentless expansion, growth and engagement.

From the early colonies, through the Spanish-American War, through the involvement in two world

wars, and of course the Cold War era, the story is one of America increasingly getting

involved with the countries in its region and around the globe.

While Charles Cupchan has a thing or two to say about that, he's recently researched

and written the book, Isolationism, a history of America's efforts to shield itself from

the world.

I sat down with Charles in the virtual jungle studio to talk through this idea that in

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