The Republican Party in the U.S. has changed dramatically.

So what are the best ways to report on the modern-day GOP?

How should reporters handle election deniers and to stop the steel movement?

Well, those are a couple of the questions for this week's Reliable Sources podcast.

Let's cue the music.

I'm Brian Stelter.

And this weekly podcast is our chance to go in depth with media leaders and newsmakers.

Talking about how the news is made.

If you have wondered what it's like to be at a Donald Trump rally interviewing rally goers

who seemed to truly believe he won the 2020 election he actually lost,

if you've wondered what that's like, you're going to enjoy this interview.

My guest today is Charles Holman's, a staff writer at the New York Times.

He was an editor at the New York Times magazine starting back in 2014.

He was commissioning articles as the politics editor thinking through the Donald Trump presidency

while first the campaign and then the presidency.

But now he's a full-time writer and his new cover story for the New York Times magazine

is titled How Stop the Steel Captured the American Right.

He says the movement to reinstate Trump has gone so far beyond one man

and, quote, now threatens the future of American elections.

So we talked about his reporting and the arc of this movement,

how it goes back further than people realize.

And at the end, you're going to hear me ask him, why does your in-depth multi-thousand word article

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