From the New York Times, this is the interview. I'm Lou Garcia Navarro.

I interview a lot of politicians, and I'll be honest, I'm jealous of how many of them want to talk to Charlemagne the

God as the co-host of the wildly popular radio show the breakfast club Charagne, who was born Leonard McElvey,

has become a go-to interviewer for politicians

who want to reach the show's largely black audience

and who aren't afraid of a good tough conversation.

And this year with polls showing Donald Trump's growing popularity with blackmail voters,

reaching that audience for candidates in both parties is more critical than ever.

The Breakfast Club has nearly six million listeners every month on the radio, plus the

YouTube channel, the podcast, and the clips from

its interviews that regularly go viral.

Even if you've never listened to the show, you probably know about some of the more memorable

episodes.

Like in 2020 when then candidate Joe Biden went on and dropped this line, if you have a problem

figuring out whether you're from me or Trump, then you ain't black.

Even though Biden got huge blowback for that comment,

Charlemagne endorsed the Democratic ticket,

but this time around, he said he won't endorse anyone.

That decision has led to some speculation about his personal politics.

It also made me curious about how he wants to wield his considerable influence

and what he thinks of the potential shift happening

among black voters.

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