Before we get started with today's show, I want to say about another great ESPN podcast, Black History Always.

Black History always is a new podcast and partnership with the undefeated that takes a deep dive into the stories of now and tomorrow from a Black

Aperture that will empower and inspire. Hosted by Clinton Yates, rate review and follow Black History always.

Also, relive one of the greatest icons in most successful teams in sports history, Michael Jordan in the 97-98 Chicago Bulls.

Stream the Emmy and NAACP Image Award-winning series The Last Dance on ESPN Plus.

The right time with Balmani Jones brought to you by Good Year, helping you discover the road ahead.

Good Year, more driven.

Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the right time.

My name is Balmani Jones. Thanks for listening wherever you get your podcast.

Rate us, review us, give us five stars. You only give us four stars. I'm a client of believe you are a hater.

Coming up on this episode of the right time. It is that time of week where we do an interview, but it's also the first installment of the right time trivia contest.

A contestant's playing for charity $5,000 goes to the winner's charity. But first.

Coming to us live, almost feel like this is one of those the men who does not need an introduction.

You probably remember him most from his time with the Indiana Pacers multiple time, also our six time all star multiple time all lead player.

And you can find him on untold Netflix has a new series called Untold that's going back and looking at some big sports stories from back in the day.

And they have an episode on the mallets in the palace in Germano, Neil is joining us for that. Germania was going on pretty good brother. Thanks for having me on.

No, no problem. I have to ask you the immediate thought I had as I was watching this and we went back to 2004. What in the hell were we wearing?

A lot of things have changed, man. Only if we knew we knew the day back then. Yeah. It's like what they got look back on.

I remember the dress code came in and I was vehemently opposed to it. And on principle, I still in vehemently opposed to it in a lot of ways. But on 40 years old now, and then I go back and look at some of those clips that I'm like, oh, that's what they was talking about.

8x a.o. shirts.

So I wanted to ask you about Untold. Again, I really recommend people check this out. And I was just telling Germania that I am someone who was studying this event many, many times over but still found myself really learning some things that did not know about, you know, what happened that night from watching it.

But I also watch the quiet storm documentary that Showtime did on a metal world piece a few weeks ago. What was illuminating about that was hearing your side of just how you felt over the years and watching as Ron Arthas as his career had gone in the different places he's been in the way he handled his exit from Indiana, which is something that I really hadn't thought so much about.

...