I'm Ben Sawyer and this is the road to now.

Today, a throwback treat for you.

Our live recording from Kat's Cradle in January of 2020, this show was a blast.

The guests were Molly Worthen of UNC's History Department.

Doug High, who you know from everything political, good friend of the show.

And Rufus Edmondson, who I got to say on an all-star lineup, probably was the biggest star.

The man worked for Senator Sam Irvin.

He handed the subpoena for the Watergate tapes over to the Nixon

White House. And man, the topic is charisma and American politics, and you couldn't have had a

better guest for this. This show was so much fun. And as we're coming up on our live show at

the Hamilton Live in Washington, D.C. on May 29th. Just thought it would be

nice to share this great episode and remind everybody how much fun these live shows are. Again,

the tickets for our live show, May 29th and D.C. are still on sale. There's a link in the episode

description, or you can just go to RTNpod.m.m.m.com and the links are there.

And while we're on the topic, one of the things that Bob and I sometimes don't do so well is to

promote the things that we do aside from the podcast. So I'm going to do that now. If you're

coming through Nashville right now, I run a couple of comedy shows here and I'm really excited

because my comedy game show Perfect Timing is kicking back off over at Zanies, Nashville, in the lab. We've got shows right now May 22nd and June 12th. If you're in the area, come check it out. It is so much fun. Three teams of stand-up comics, and I write the show, host the show, produce the show, do everything. And it's a blast. So come to that or check out my comedy showcase every month at Yazu Brewing Company, First Fridays. That is no cover. They take good care of us there. You can find all my comedy dates on sawyercom. And I'm heading out to California this summer, so probably get some dates out there too. So stay tuned. For the Aivet Brothers, the band that I love that Bob is in, they got some great shows coming up. Richmond, Virginia on Thursday, May 8th, Huntsville, Alabama on Saturday, May 10th. Our show is May 29th. Then the Aivet Brothers are playing Wolftrap in Vienna just outside of D.C. on May 30th and 31st. You can find all that at the Avertbrothers.com. If you have not seen this band, they put on an incredible show. And Bob's not here, so he doesn't know what I'm saying. I'm being honest with you. They put on an incredible show. I've seen those guys evolve over the years and I just don't know that there's anybody

who could put more into what they do than the Ava brothers. So go check them out or come check

me out or come check us out. All the links are in the episode description. And finally,

thanks to the patrons, patreon.com slash the road to now. Patrons, you keep the show going. Every time we go to pay

out the bills, it's like, thank goodness for those guys. So we do appreciate what you do for us.

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