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Hard Fork

The New York Times

Technology

4.5 • 5.2K Ratings

🗓️ 31 October 2025

⏱️ 61 minutes

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“We are living through a dramatic contraction in the access that teenagers have to technology online.”

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0:00.0	Well, I wonder if you saw this, you know, I keep very close tabs on celebrity news, Kevin.
0:05.1	I know you do.
0:05.8	And in particular, I'm always interested, has any hard-fork guest sort of entered the world of celebrity?
0:11.5	Because that's always very exciting for me.
0:13.0	It is.
0:13.6	And this week, it was officially confirmed that Katie Perry, the pop star, is dating one-time hard-fork guest and former Prime Minister of Canada, Justin Trudeau.
0:25.3	I was wondering where you were going with that. I'm not sure I would put Hard Fork guest on Justin Trudeau's at the top of his resume.
0:31.7	To my parents, that is the main way that Justin Trudeau is known, is as a hard-forced guest.
0:37.0	And now is Katie Perry's boyfriend.
0:38.3	Yes, he came in like a dark horse and now they're dating and for all I know she's living a
0:44.1	teenage dream right now with the former Prime Minister of Canada. Hey, she's not a teenager.
0:48.7	No, have you listened to the song? Do you know what the song Teenage Dream is about? It's about
0:53.0	falling in love with someone that makes you feel like it's a teenage dream. Oh my God. And let this be a lesson to
0:59.7	other newsmakers, celebrities. If you come on the Hard Fork podcast, 12 to 18 months later,
1:06.7	you may find yourself dating a celebrity. For all we know, that is how Katie Perry
1:10.9	became aware of Jester Trudeau.
1:12.7	She was watching over at
1:14.8	YouTube.com slash hard fork, and she saw
1:16.8	this man talking about Canada, and she said,
1:18.8	baby, you're a firework.
1:21.8	I'm going to be honest.
1:22.7	I've run out of the song titles for Katie Perry's songs
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