The early chapters of this series focus on a man we refer to as Abu Husaifa al-Khanadi,

who claimed to be a member of ISIS and said he had committed multiple murders while in

the Islamic State.

In several episodes of this series, we documented his story as well as our efforts to verify

aspects of it.

In September of 2020, two and a half years after this podcast was released, the Canadian

police arrested Husaifa, whose real name is Shairo's Choundry, and charged him with perpetrating

a hoax.

That charge led the times to conduct its own investigation, which found a history of

misrepresentations by Choundry, and no corroboration that he committed the atrocities he described

in the Caliphate podcast.

As a result, the times has concluded that the episodes of Caliphate that presented Choundry's

claims did not meet our standards for accuracy.

In this feed, we've published a conversation with the executive editor of the Times, Dean

Bakeh, where he discusses the original reporting in Caliphate, and what the times has found

in its re-examination of the story.

Can you just say what we're doing before we get there?

It's July 22nd, and we're heading to a police station in Western Mosul, and this is

apparently the place where police officers and members of the Iraqi Security Force are

bringing ISIS members who were captured during the battle for Western Mosul.

So we're hoping to interview some of the detainees.

Chapter 9.

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