Chapter Four: The Southern Spark
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Martina Abrahams Ilunga
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🗓️ 10 February 2022
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| 0:00.0 | You're listening to Chapter 4, The Southern Spark. |
| 0:09.0 | One day, I know the struggle will change. There's got to be a change. Not only for Mississippi, not only for the people in the United States, but people all over the world. |
| 0:20.0 | Fannie Lou Hamer in a 1964 New York Times interview. |
| 0:30.4 | It's 2013, and Shayla and Eric are fresh out of college, recently married, and living near Shayla's family in the |
| 0:38.4 | Mississippi Delta. |
| 0:40.5 | It seemed like the next logical step would be to start a family, but their attitudes about |
| 0:44.8 | having children were totally different. |
| 0:47.8 | Shayla wanted kids. |
| 0:49.4 | Eric didn't. |
| 0:51.2 | But despite that, they started having more conversations about what parenthood could look like |
| 0:55.8 | and what it would take to get pregnant. |
| 0:59.0 | I was starting to, we were starting to plan it, but we weren't like planning, planning. |
| 1:03.6 | And so around 2013, I started to get into, I bought this book called Honoring Our Cycles and learning how to chart and track |
| 1:12.9 | my fertility. So I got into that. I think I had read the Queen of Fua book, Sacred Woman. I was |
| 1:20.9 | like reading that. So just trying, I started to get into trying to be fertile, I guess. One night I woke up and I was having these really, really bad cramps, |
| 1:31.3 | and I didn't know what was going on. |
| 1:33.3 | So the next day I went to a clinic, I left work and was like, |
| 1:36.3 | something's not right. |
| 1:37.3 | Like, I'm bleeding, I was cramping. |
| 1:38.3 | I don't know. |
| 1:39.3 | Like, I'm going to go to this clinic. |
| 1:41.3 | The sudden pain was disorienting for Shayla because she'd already taken her pregnancy test and it came back negative. |
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