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Caliphate

Chapter Five: The Heart

Caliphate

The New York Times

Religion & Spirituality, News, History

4.814.7K Ratings

🗓️ 17 May 2018

⏱️ 22 minutes

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Summary

Editors' Note [Dec. 18, 2020]: The Times has published an Editors’ Note concluding that episodes featuring a central character in “Caliphate” did not meet our standards for accuracy. Read the full statement. The recruit carried out the killing. Then he questioned everything.

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0:00.0

The early chapters of this series focus on a man we refer to as Abu Hus-Safa al-Khanadi,

0:07.3

who claimed to be a member of ISIS and said he had committed multiple murders while in

0:13.0

the Islamic State.

0:15.0

In several episodes of this series, we documented his story, as well as our efforts to verify

0:21.5

aspects of it.

0:23.4

In September of 2020, two and a half years after this podcast was released, the Canadian

0:29.6

police arrested Hus-Safa, whose real name is Shairo's Choundry, and charged him with

0:36.4

perpetrating a hoax.

0:39.0

That charge led the times to conduct its own investigation, which found a history of

0:44.6

misrepresentations by Choundry, and no corroboration that he committed the atrocities he described

0:52.4

in the Caliphate podcast.

0:55.0

As a result, the times has concluded that the episodes of Caliphate that presented Choundry's

1:01.7

claims did not meet our standards for accuracy.

1:06.4

In this feed, we've published a conversation with the executive editor of the Times, Dean

1:11.9

Bakeh, where he discusses the original reporting in Caliphate, and what the times has found

1:19.0

in its re-examination of the story.

1:29.2

On July 4, 2014, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, the leader of the Islamic State, arrives in Western

1:38.2

Mosque in a convoy of cars in great secrecy.

1:41.1

I remember residents telling me that all of the streets were roped off suddenly, they didn't

1:44.7

know why.

1:49.3

He walks into the historic al-Murray mosque, a famous mosque in Western Mosque.

1:54.9

The mosque is full because it's Friday, and the congregation is waiting for the Friday

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