Welcome to your listeners. I'm Jonathan Carlin. And I'm Benjamin Carlin. And we invite you to join us through the Gryffindor, her one-way ticket to the enchanting world of Harry Potter. So grab your wands and dust off your broomsticks and join us as we unlock the dark corridors inside Order of the Phoenix chapter four number 12 grim old place.

That was so many things to say. It was so many things. Dark corridors, order the Phoenix,

chapter four, number 12. We're on the right spot. I'm on the same thing. Yes, yes, indeed. Oh, man.

You want to know what I was thinking about while you were doing the intro for no reason is that both

of our names have eight letters. Oh my gosh. All of my kids names have the same number of letters. Do they?

Well, in a manner of speaking. Like Luke, Nick, Nate all have the same number of letters, but then like Nathan and Nicholas and Luke don't.

Yeah. So yeah. There is that. And Luke is not like long, it's not short for Lucas.

It certainly is not. Wow. I mean, I knew that I was asking for them. Yeah. I was, I was, I was

shortly thereafter. Right. Yeah. Anyway, he's, he was, he's just, he's just Luke. But what

I think is funny is that like, I would have assumed that you never would have assumed that you never would have said that that that modifier worked because like you are J, the letter J and I am like Ben. But I would assume that you would say that our names both have eight letters. I mean, yes. Right. Right. Because Jonathan and Benjamin. Because Jonathan and Benjamin have eight letters. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I don't know why this is relevant. And most people are like, I'm clicking away. Well, the only reason I was really thinking about it was just this very morning, Nate at the breakfast table was like, Daddy, do you know that Nate just has four letters in it? And I was like, yeah, so does Nick and Luke. Oh, wow. Yeah. I've teed you up rather nicely. Yeah. For this particular fun fact. Okay. I love it. I love it. But you want to it has 12? What? The number of grimalds in a place. That was terrible. The number of houses. Because after all, when it's not seven, it's 13. And when it's not 13, it's 12.

And when it's not 12, it's 11. It's 12 quite frequently. It is 12 quite 12. It's 12 quite often.

Yeah. Um, yes. So number 12 grimall place. I have a lot to say. Um, because what we have here

depicted of our chapter art, first things first is five different house elf heads mounted on the walls.

And as I was looking at them and examining them, I was like, wow, it's very interesting

that their noses must not be genetic because they all have different noses.

Like number four, as I've numbered them, has quite the pig snout.

Yeah, I see.

Yeah.

Of a nose.

And I remember that like Dobby sort of has like the long, thin nose, kind of like a

pencil. Yeah. It's like, Winky has like the tomato nose. I believe it's tomato. Okay. Well, yes, yes, indeed. Um, if you're going to get these things right, you may as well do it the right way.

Yeah.

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