Chapter 24: Occlumency | Order of the Phoenix
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🗓️ 15 February 2026
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Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 24 of the Order of the Phoenix and discuss Kreacher’s subterfuge, not wanting to return to Hogwarts, Snape vs. Sirius, cat-bus, the awkward convo with Cho, the lesson with Snape and the door realization.
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome, dear listener, I'm Jonathan Carlin. |
| 0:22.5 | And I'm Benjamin Carlin. |
| 0:27.9 | And we invite you to join us through the Gryffindor, your one-way ticket to the enchanting world of Harry Potter. |
| 0:33.7 | So grab your wands and dust off your broomsticks and join us as we unlock the dark corridors inside. |
| 0:37.4 | Order the Phoenix chapter 24, occlimency. What a weird word to say. Occlimency. Occlemency. It's one of those that I was positive, I was mispronouncing. Oh, yeah, yeah. Acclemency? Oclemency. Osslemancy. I feel like Jim Dale in particular really, like, lays heavy into the occlimency. Oclimacy. Oclimency. It's like you can like feel both |
| 0:56.4 | seas. Yeah. Occlimency. They're both pronounced. Yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Everybody in their ear |
| 1:02.0 | holes right now is like, stop saying it like that. Stop saying occlimency. At least it won't come up a lot |
| 1:07.8 | in this chapter, which is chapter 24. Yeah. |
| 1:13.6 | Um, take you a look at this chapter art here today, Jay. |
| 1:17.3 | It is, it is very interesting. |
| 1:17.9 | Okay. Like, well, I, I think it's interesting just because like, there's only so much weight that we can put into chapter art and everything like that. |
| 1:25.7 | But there, there is like, to me, I have always |
| 1:28.4 | interpreted this as if it's like Snape looking in a mirror. Oh, if it's Snape looking in a mirror, |
| 1:34.3 | because it's supposed to be Snape talking to Sirius. It is supposed to be Snape talking to |
| 1:37.6 | serious. But the way that they are depicted in the angle that you get them from is, is like, |
| 1:42.7 | you're kind of seeing like over Sirius's like back left |
| 1:46.9 | shoulder and then looking at Snape who kind of looks shocked looking forward at his position. |
| 1:54.2 | So, like, it's, there isn't a mirror going on there. But like, it almost makes me wonder if, |
| 1:59.9 | like, if you were to take the character |
| 2:02.0 | traits of Sirius and take the character traits of Snape and they would be like identical opposites. |
| 2:08.7 | Oh, okay. Like Snape is in love with Lily and James like C or Sirius sees James as like a brother. |
| 2:16.1 | Like their relationship with the potters is similar enough. |
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