Chapter 19: The Lion and the Serpent | Order of the Phoenix
Through the Griffin Door
Super Carlin Brothers
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🗓️ 11 January 2026
⏱️ 109 minutes
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Join J and Ben as they dive into Chapter 19 of the Order of the Phoenix and discuss the protean charm, the pacing, Fred and George being adopted, Ron’s anticipation, a great RedMoon moment, Lee Jordan’s commentary, Draco goading the Griffindoors, decree number 25 and Hagrid being back!
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome, dear listeners, I'm Jonathan Carlin. |
| 0:21.8 | And I'm Benjamin Carlin. |
| 0:23.3 | And we invite you to join us through the Gryffindor, your one-way ticket to the |
| 0:26.9 | enchanting world of Harry Potter. |
| 0:28.9 | So grab your wands and dust off your broomsticks and join us as we unlock the dark corridors |
| 0:33.8 | inside. |
| 0:35.0 | Order the Phoenix chapter 19, the lion and the serpent. And arguably |
| 0:40.8 | also the eagle. And the eagle? Well, I just think it's funny because it's the lion and the |
| 0:46.4 | serpent, which is obviously Gryffindor and Slytherin, but it is the chapter art for this |
| 0:50.6 | particular chapter is of Luna Lovegood wearing the Gryffindor hat. |
| 0:54.9 | Yeah. |
| 0:55.6 | Um, so the lion and the serpent, you know, it works. |
| 0:58.8 | It's there. |
| 0:59.5 | But I also feel like in the eagle because we have a, we have one of our most noteworthy |
| 1:03.0 | Ravenclaws on proud display. |
| 1:04.9 | That's true. |
| 1:05.5 | I was going to ask you what you think the lion and the serpent refers to because it |
| 1:09.7 | is a like a really visual chapter title to, like, only, like, it feels like the lion and the serpent could be like the title of like the last chapter ever, you know? You're not wrong. Yeah. It's like, the lion and the serpent. It's like, oh, man. it's like, it's just a quidditch game, you know. |
| 1:28.1 | We're seeing like the ultimate showdown between Lord Voldemort and the chosen one, Harold James Potter. Right. Yeah. A.k.a. The lion. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, good versus evil, that, that whole type of thing. You're right. |
| 1:41.8 | I mean, it's, it, uh, it feels really specific for what is otherwise actually quite an entertaining chapter. Oh yeah. Uh, because we have quitich. It's always good. Yeah. Yes. Yes. And the, the weasley is our king is going to be showing up in this particular chapter, which feels like it kind of goes down into the, uh, I don't even know this is the right way to say it, the iconography of, like, Quidditch. Yeah. The Wiesleys are, our king. I don't know if iconography is the right word or not, but it feels associated. Okay. Yeah. Every once in a while, I try a fun, like, $5 word. Yeah. Did that work? Is that the, the, the, all of the iconography of Harry Potter Quidditch. Right. Yes. Weasley is our king. Yeah. But so yeah, the line of the serpent as a chapter title, I was like, okay, so at face value, it's the Quidditch teams, the Gryffindor versus Slytherin. |
| 2:35.1 | Those are their mascots. |
| 2:36.5 | Right. |
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