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So we're joined today by Joe Trippie, famous Democratic operative. He ran the Howard Dean campaign,

which for me back in my early baby operative days, I watched with awe what they were doing and starting

and reinventing at that point. He's got a new podcast out called That Trippie Show,

in which he talks about campaign mechanics and his latest episode is on his insights into why the Trump campaign has gone dark in Michigan.

Really great for campaign nerds like me. You're in for a treat today.

Let's dive in. Steve, I'm particularly excited to have Joe Trippie here because I followed so many of his races before.

But do you want to just take a second to talk about Y'all's history together?

Because I was listening back to a 2016 interview you did with him.

And there's some fun stuff that Y'all talked about that we've got to bring up.

It's amazing. I listened to that same interview and then I shared it with you Sarah.

I probably should have shared it with you Trippie so that we weren't just bringing it up out of the blue.

But you know, that's how we roll here.

Yeah, I was thinking about this. How long have we known each other?

Joe for 15, 20 years or something, dating back to our early days on Fox doing election nights and debate nights and primary nights and the whole thing.

And neither one of us are doing those anymore. You've moved on.

And I think Fox is worse off without you. I'm not doing it. And I think probably that could be an improvement that I'm not doing as much better.

But it's great. It's great to have you excited to be doing this.

And why don't I start with this interview that we did in 2016.

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