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First Things Podcast

Chaos in Our Souls

First Things Podcast

First Things

Religion & Spirituality

4.6699 Ratings

🗓️ 15 April 2024

⏱️ 32 minutes

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In this episode, RJ Snell joins Mark Bauerlein to discuss his new book, “Lost in the Chaos: Immanence, Despair, Hope.” Music by J. S. Bach/C. Gounod, public domain. Track edited, cropped, and merged with another track.

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0:00.0

This episode is brought to you by the Master of Arts and Catholic Education program at the Augustine Institute

0:21.2

Graduate School of Theology. Dedicated to the renewal of Catholic education, this degree

0:26.0

equipped school teachers and administrators to bring Christ to the center of every classroom

0:30.4

through a focus on sacred scripture, theology, Christian anthropology, and the traditional liberal arts.

0:37.4

Learn more at augustin.edu backslash Christian anthropology, and the traditional liberal arts.

1:11.9

Learn more at augustin.edu back the editor of public discourse, an excellent journalism. today. He is director of academic programs at the Witherspoon Institute in Princeton, New Jersey.

1:16.2

He's the editor of public discourse, an excellent journal that I know many of our listeners watch every week. And his books include Achadia and its discontents, metaphysical boredom

1:24.5

in an empire of desire. And there's a new book out entitled Lost in the Chaos,

1:30.9

Imminence, Despair, Hope. That's our topic today. We've known each other. Welcome RJ, first name basis.

1:36.6

Yeah, thanks, Mark. Really good to be with you. Appreciate the chance to chat.

1:40.3

Your title is a riff on a book by Walker Percy. You talk about it in the opening pages. What did that previous book

1:46.7

Lost in the Cosmos? What did it say? And what do you mean by moving from Cosmos to your title, Chaos?

1:56.5

Well, I've been a big fan of Percy's Lost in the Cosmos for a long time.

2:01.6

So it came out in 1983.

2:03.6

He's responding to the famous book, and I think it was a PBS miniseries, Cosmos.

2:08.6

You know, we're just Stardust.

2:10.6

And if we're just Stardust, Percy is asking, what in the world is meaning?

2:14.6

How can we understand subjectivity in the individual? You know, Percy had spent a lot of time thinking and through the lens of 20th century existentialism.

2:24.3

As a young man when he had tuberculosis, he had read a lot of Gabriel, Marcel, he'd spent a lot of time with Kierkegaard,

2:31.3

and he was pretty convinced that the conditions under which the late 20th century

2:35.3

the late 20th century person found him or herself was not a good one to be an individual. We had

2:40.6

lost ourselves. Lost in the cosmos begins with these hilarious wonderful thought experiments.

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