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🗓️ 25 April 2025
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Daily operations at the Department of Defense have been described as “total chaos” by a former department spokesperson. In a Politico op-ed, recently fired John Ullyot questioned Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth’s leadership and capability. President Trump defended Hegseth, but reports say the White House might be replacing him. Several of Trump’s cabinet leaders have come under fire for focusing on the more forward-facing aspects of their jobs. Should the day-to-day management of key departments be a concern right now?
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0:00.0 | Hey, everybody. This is left, right, and center. I am David Green. Total chaos at the Pentagon. |
0:07.9 | That is a headline that should probably worry any American. Particularly troubling, though, |
0:12.1 | when the words come from someone who worked inside the Pentagon just until recently, |
0:17.2 | and remains philosophically a pretty big supporter of President Trump and also Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth. |
0:24.0 | So this criticism is not coming from some deep state bureaucrat or Trump hater. |
0:28.4 | It is coming from John Elliott, who has been Hague Seth's spokesman. |
0:32.4 | He also worked in the first Trump administration, also worked on the Trump campaign in 2016. |
0:36.7 | But he left his post and is now |
0:37.9 | written an op-ed in Politico, describing a month from hell at the Department of Defense. |
0:44.1 | His op-ed was published the same day that the New York Times reported on a second chat group |
0:48.9 | in the messaging app signal where Hegseth shared sensitive details of a planned strike on Yemen, this time with his wife |
0:56.5 | and other personal contacts. Now, we should say Secretary Hegeset is downplaying all of this. |
1:01.2 | What was shared over signal then and now, however you characterize it, was informal, |
1:07.2 | unclassified coordinations for media coordination and other things. That's what I've said from the |
1:12.0 | beginning. Okay, so President Trump is defending HegSeth publicly, but NPR reported this week that a |
1:18.0 | search was underway for a possible replacement. And Hegset, we should say, is not the only |
1:23.0 | cabinet member under scrutiny for perceived mismanagement. So is our government being run by incompetent people? |
1:30.2 | Or is this the tradeoff when a president comes in promising radical but necessary change in Washington? |
1:36.9 | You know, you get less traditional people chosen for top roles. They're just going to slip up in the |
1:40.9 | beginning because they're less experienced. Mo and Sarah are both |
1:44.7 | away this week, but we have some great folks joining us. On the left, Lily Adams, a veteran |
1:48.9 | communication strategist. She was Assistant Secretary of Public Affairs at the Treasury Department |
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