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Countless people live with shame and distress about their eating. I know it well myself, through personal history and this is our theme today.

And I'm speaking with my dear friend and colleague Dr Jutzen Brewer and Judd is a scientist, a professor, and author of The Hunger Habit.

That's his new book and many other groundbreaking books.

He's a thought leader in the field of habit change.

And he's also, importantly, a decades-long practitioner of mindfulness.

So in this conversation, we explore how combining mindfulness practice with the basic understanding of habit

change science can free us from unhealthy eating habits.

So we also look at the larger societal forces that drive

over consumption as well as the shame that eating behaviors can evoke. I always learn from Judd and find inspiration

and what he offers and I trust you well too. Many blessings.

So good morning and welcome, Judd.

It's great to see you. Yeah, so we're getting to talk about something that is very alive for both of us today and kind of circles

around this beautiful new book you've got coming out at the end of this month,

the hunger habit. So I thought maybe just to ask you personally and professionally what

drew you to this? You want the truth? You

to start off by saying some other things, but no, yeah, let's go for it. I don't know anything else.

So the truth is that I have a wonderful editor named

Caroline Sutton and she was the editor for my unrunning anxiety book and she had had a conversation and she said I think it's a time

for a book on eating and I said I'm not that person to write that book.

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