You went from being a large Democrat donor to now a very outspoken proponent on the other side of the aisle.

Yeah.

How did you get there yourself?

For me, it was an evolution where I was like, I can't believe I'm being lied to by this group of people whose sole responsibility is to hold truth to power.

That, I mean, red-pilled me, I guess, in a way.

At the end of last year, I had an incredible

thing happen, this business that I helped start 10 years ago. GROC. And, you know, we sold it to

Nvidia. $20 billion. Incredible validation. All of this success. Katie, I felt super, like, down.

Like, the entire internet was celebrating you and saying, Chimov must be having the best day of his

life. I have felt the happiest before something great has happened. And then afterwards I feel

worse than before. When you guys met, was he this outspoken about his viewpoint? When I met him,

he was very opinionated. That was there for sure. That meant a lot to me because it

showed me what it meant to be fearless in the market of ideas. Instead, I've always wanted

to be more measured. That's episode of the Katie Miller podcast.

We're so excited to be in Palo Alto today, joined by Chimoth and his beautiful wife, Natalie.

Thank you so much for doing this.

Thank you.

Thanks, Katie.

So we're sitting here in Palo Alto.

You have been incredibly outspoken in recent days about all of the wealth moving out of California.

Your home is beautiful.

Thank you.

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