Welcome to the Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast, a conversation designed to help leaders go

further faster. On today's podcast, we'll talk about how a leader should challenge

the process. Landy over the years I've heard you talk about this topic you said

challenging the status quo is often where leadership begins.

But where did that idea come from?

Yeah, I love that statement.

It actually came from the very first leadership book

that I ever read, which came out,

this is hard to say out loud almost 30 years ago.

30 years ago.

Yeah, and the leadership challenge by Kuzes and Posner,

it's been out for 30 years.

It continues to be republished.

And sometimes I wonder, do I love this book because it's the first

leadership book I I've ever read I ever read or is it really that good and honestly

every year in fact more than one time a year I will find myself when I'm doing research or I'm putting together a leadership talk going back to that book. It is so incredibly worn out and every page is underlined.

And I think one of the reasons, one of the things that gives this book such punch. It's not an

individual leader sharing their insights or even their story. It's two

researchers that interviewed and did research with a whole lot of leaders,

effective leaders.

And so their conclusions are database, not just insight-based.

And early in the book, they introduced the importance of continually challenging the status quo in any organization.

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