Hello and I'm

Jamele Jamil a podcast against shame.

I hope you're well and I think today's chat is so important for this

podcast because it's largely about the way that we shame people who just don't want to get married

especially when those people are women. And I think that's really bizarre, but we're still having this conversation that we're still telling

women how to spend their entire lives, but it seems to be back in a big way because of the explosion of red pill culture and misogyny on Tik-Tock.

There's also a big rise of the kind of Tradwife culture, which is the traditional housewife and the homemaker in the stay-at-home mom which by the way is a wonderful

and beautiful thing and still a fucking shitload of hard work. So we're definitely not trying to

shame anyone who wants to participate in marriage or who wants to be a stay-at-home mom, but it is just a real conversation about the history of marriage. Where does it come from? Why is it set up as a romantic ideal when it's largely a sort of vessel of economical incentive for our

governments and a way to control women historically.

We really get into the ins and outs of the ways in which it's been used as a tool against women

and how this kind of propaganda around marriage has permeated all of our souls since we were children and how we need to dispel this idea that if you are not married

you have somehow failed in life or that you're going to end up bitter and alone and when you die

you're going to be eaten by your pets.

Somehow that very, very, very archaic image of a woman who chooses to not be married

hasn't been circulating again.

And I find it so breathtaking, so I'm very glad to be having this

important and factually based conversation with Clementine Ford who is a

fantastic writer, advocate, community builder, and broadcaster.

She's written books like Fight Like a Girl and Boys would be Boys,

which have been published around the world

and have been hugely critically acclaimed in the UK, the US, Australia etc and she's got a new

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