Challenging the Mainstream COVID-19 Lockdown Narrative (w/Mike Green, Nick Hudson & Russel Lamberti)

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🗓️ 21 February 2021

⏱️ 80 minutes

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The Interview, Recorded on January 4, 2021In the fight against COVID-19, lockdowns have become a major policy tool used by governments around the world with a stated goal of limiting the spread of the virus and keeping hospitals from running out of capacity. Nick Hudson, CEO of Sana Partners, and Russell Lamberti, Founder of ETM Macro Advisors, are part of Pandemics Data and Analytics, or PANDA, a collective of leading scientists, actuaries, economists, data scientists, statisticians, medical professionals, lawyers, engineers and businesspeople working to challenge the mainstream narrative around lockdowns using scientific evidence that they argue shows that 1) lockdowns are not effective at their stated goals and 2) the secondary costs of lockdowns far outweigh the potential benefits. In this interview with Mike Green of Logica Capital Advisors, Hudson and Lamberti introduce viewers to their organization and make the case that the COVID-19 response does not square with any of the pre-COVID pandemic response protocols that were updated in late 2019, that the effects of lockdowns on children and other marginalized groups have not been properly considered, and that lockdowns could set a dangerous political precedent. As well, Green plays the role of devil's advocate and challenges both guests on the real problems of measurable excess mortality and dwindling hospital capacity that cannot be denied. More information about PANDA, their members, and methodologies can be found at https://pandata.org. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0	Mike Green here for Real Vision. I'm excited to kick off the year 2021, talking all around the globe
0:22.5	this early morning in California, and I'm excited to sit down and talk with Russell Lumberty and
0:26.7	Nick Hudson in South Africa. Gentlemen, welcome. Now I met you to actually via a Twitter thread
0:37.1	that I posted about the pandemic. One of the members of your Panda Network, which we'll discuss in
0:42.6	a second, reached out to me and said, hey, you should really be looking at X. I reached out to you,
0:49.6	was put in touch with you too, and would love to know a little bit about you guys as we talk about
0:55.5	the dynamics of the global pandemic, the organization that you've built, Panda, the pandemic's data
1:00.4	and analytics team, that is a global network of scientists. Let's start with just some brief
1:06.1	background, Russell, to you. Thanks, Mike. It's good to be with you guys. I'm a professional
1:10.1	economist, a live in Cape Town, a run a boutique research macro research business called ETM
1:17.1	macro advisors. My clients are predominantly fund managers and professional investors. I'm a big
1:22.6	fan of real vision actually, been a long time supporter of the platform and have enjoyed much
1:28.7	of what you guys have done. So my space is very much macro and markets, covering FX commodities,
1:37.7	big picture stuff, business cycles, and have known Nick for a number of years, prior to 2020,
1:45.2	and when that hit, we kind of decided to start. I mean, we were sharing ideas early on in this
1:52.2	thing, and Nick kind of took the bull by the horns, and I came along for the ride as well.
1:57.2	So I have an economics background. My strong suit is not
2:02.9	virology or viruses or anything like that. I've been looking a lot at the economic impacts.
2:09.0	I've been learning as I go, of course, as we've all been on a crash course on virology in 2020,
2:14.0	but really keenly focused on the economics and the severe impacts of lockdowns and the
2:20.8	curtailment of trade freedoms and so on has been really interesting for me this year. And of course,
2:26.0	watching how policy makers, central bankers, governments have responded and have layered on,
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