Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. This is TBSI in the world. I'm John Baster speaking with Adrian Waldridge.

The author of the new book, The Aristocracy of Talent, were going through the several thousand years of the honesty and philosophical thoroughness at with the same time of prejudice in everybody who is looking

for talent to maintain governance and to achieve prosperity.

The blindness of everyone until the 20th century is the mother they've had,

the sister they have, and the children they want to have.

That's the blindness.

And I don't know other than the fact that I'm sure we're blind to something here in the 21st century.

And in the 24th century they will laugh and say something

like, can you imagine they thought so well given that they were medias or something equally

unexpected to condemn us.

So I'm not seeking to condemn, but Adrian,

it is amazing to me now to consider

that women did not come to a man called Clever Tom Macaulay.

Given his genius for reforming the Indian Civil Service,

he did not see his own mother as someone to participate in decision-making.

It is absolutely extraordinary that you have these great, great reformers in the middle of the

19th century who develop extremely sophisticated theories of why we

should have open competition and why talent is, you know, if not quite democratic, is widely distributed to the population certainly doesn't just reside

with the aristocracy, and it doesn't occur to them to say, well, what about the...

And it doesn't occur to them to think, well, wait a minute,

my wife is quite intelligent, or my daughter is quite intelligent,

she should be allowed to join in this competition.

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