Welcome to the Andy Stanley Leadership Podcast. A conversation designed to help leaders

go further faster. On today's podcast, we'll talk about how a leader should challenge

the process.

Andy, over the years, I've heard you talk about this topic. You've made this amazing

statement. You said, challenging the status quo is often where leadership begins. But

where did that idea come from?

Yeah, I love that statement. It actually came from the very first leadership book that

I ever read, which came out, this is hard to say out loud, almost 30 years ago.

Wow.

30 years ago. Yeah, and the leadership challenge by Coosers and Posner, it's been out for,

you know, 30 years. It continues to be republished. And sometimes I wonder, do I love this book

because it's the first leadership book I've ever read, I ever read, or is it really that

good? And honestly, every year, in fact, more than one time a year, I will find myself

when I'm doing research or I'm putting together a leadership talk, going back to that book,

and it is so incredibly worn out, and every page is underlined.

Wow.

And I think one of the reason, one of the things that gives this book such punch, it's not

an individual leader sharing their insights or even their story. It's two researchers that

interviewed and did research with a whole lot of leaders, effective leaders. And so

their conclusions are database, not just insight based. And early in the book, they introduced

the importance of continually challenging the status quo in any organization. In fact,

they argue that challenging the process or challenging the status quo is, they say,

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