Welcome back to the poor proles almanac. This is Andy. Today we're joined by Dr. Gerald

Horn, a historian, writer, podcaster, and activist.

Dr. Gerald Horn is a John Jay and Rebecca Moore's professor of African American history at the

University of Houston and has written over 40 books, each fundamentally challenging conventional

history's narratives.

His research has addressed issues of racism in a variety of relations involving labor,

politics, civil rights, international relations, and war.

He is the author of several books, including his latest, revolting capital, racism, and radicalism in Washington, D.C., as well as armed struggle.

Arguably, one of the most important historians in my lifetime, it was an honor to discuss his most recent books and the evolution of our current political arena.

If you're wondering where we go from here, this episode's for you.

Now, if you're interested in hearing Dr. Horne talk more,

check out his own podcast and grab his books listed in the show notes below. And now let's jump in.

Dr. Horn, thanks so much for coming on. First off, I'm a huge fan of your work. I've read a number of your books. One of the things I particularly appreciate is how thoroughly cited and clear you make a lot of your arguments that, you know, I went to school for history, and I felt like I was reading a different history, which is just wild to think.

And I think that speaks to the complexity of the way our historical narrative has been constructed.

And that's something we'll talk about a little bit.

But I want to start before we even get into the book, what really sparked your interest to write about your most recent book around Washington, D.C.?

Well, actually, it's interesting that you mentioned that because my most recent book in the last few days is armed struggle, question mark,

Panthers and communists, black nationalists and liberals in Southern California through the 60s and 70s.

And if you crack open that book available at

Better Bookstores Everywhere, you'll find that unlike some of my other books, I'm part

of the story. I first visited Berkeley in 1969. I attended a Panther Anti-Fascism Conference

in neighboring North Oakland, arriving in San Francisco

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