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Good Guy / Bad Guy

Chael doubles down on Aspinall Hot Take! + Jones vs Pereira = Biggest HW Fight of All Time?

Good Guy / Bad Guy

ESPN Radio

Sports

4.42.7K Ratings

🗓️ 27 October 2025

⏱️ 35 minutes

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Summary

On this episode of Good Guy / Bad Guy…The Bad Guy is doubling down on his now viral comments that Tom Aspinall should have continued fighting after being poked in the eyes by Cyril Gane. But does DC agree with the hot take that ruffled feathers across the MMA community? Then, there’s a new Women’s Strawweight Champion of the world and her name is Mackenzie Dern! DC breaks down his heartfelt moment with Dern and her daughter that gave fight fans all the feels. Plus, is she making the right move calling for the likes of Tatiana Suarez or Zhang Weili as her next opponent? And, Jon Jones says he’s down to fight Alex Pereira at the White House. Find out if the guys believe this could be the biggest Heavyweight title fight in UFC History. Their answer may surprise you! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

John Jones is like, right, right, Joe. He said, John Jones is like, ooh-hoo, I got him. I got him. Fish on the line, Jill. You know when you throw it, when you cast, you just hope to catch something, a little fish. When you catch that bigmouth bass, you start celebrating. Jones probably feels right now he's got that big mouth bass.

0:21.6

What's happening, guys?

0:29.6

Welcome to another episode of Good Guy, Bad Guy.

0:32.6

I'm Chale, he's Daniel, and partner.

0:34.6

Let me start you with this.

0:36.6

And still, apparently doesn't necessarily mean you want.

0:42.6

There's another way to hold on to that belt.

0:45.4

Yes, yes, there is.

0:46.7

Chill, today's episode will, actually, I don't know how you get through Saturday night

0:51.6

without making a new enemy.

0:53.4

I remember when Alex Padeta had a hit out on you, he had a hit out on you. And now Tom Aspinall is about to

0:59.5

have a hit out on you too. Because Saturday night, Tom Aspinall remained the heavyweight champion,

1:05.1

but he got poked in the eye. Now there was no long-term damage. At least that's the initial report that we are getting Tom.

1:13.2

We'll then see specialists and everything when he gets back to England. But chill. On Saturday night,

1:18.5

you're sitting with Brendan Fitzgerald and Anthony Smith, and this is what you had to say.

1:23.4

Being poked in the eye is illegal, Brendan, but to fight with one eye is very common.

1:27.7

The opponent's trying to hit your eyes, trying to bust up and make your nosebleed. So that part of it does have question for guys like Anthony and I. We're trying to be polite. We're trying to show grace. But in all fairness, if you're the heavyweight champion of the world, you've got to fight with one eye at time. There was something about the way that the story was being told, the way that it was being held on the eye and never removed.

1:45.9

I mean, don't forget this cloth that he had in his eye contained an ice cube. This wasn't some kind of a magic cloth that was going to cure a cornea or something that was wrong with your eye or even take swelling away. It contained an ice cube. And I've checked out of fights before. I know what it looks like. And I knew that he was done.

2:01.0

He said, I got, I got poked in the eye.

2:03.2

I can't see. If you got poked in the eye and you're injured, we have a totally different conversation. If you get poked in the eye and you can't see generally in our sport, that's just something you've got to push through. Cheryl, you didn't pull no punches. You didn't pull no punches on what you thought about Tom Aspinall.

2:20.6

So now you've had pull no punches. You didn't pull no punches on what you thought about Tom

2:20.1

Aspinall. So now you've had a couple days to think about it. My question to you becomes

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