Oh, hey, it's yesterday's pants, also known as today's pants.

Allie Ward, let's ruin a manicure in the best way possible.

It's Ologies' eighth year this week, eighth anniversary, rather.

This is episode 467.

It is our anniversary.

So I checked on the traditional gift guide for an eighth anniversary.

And it's pottery, folks. Finally folks finally also you can enjoy our fifth

anniversary episode on wood which we did about reclaimed lumber loved it but seromology it comes from

the greek seramos for pottery which was easy not only is this an anniversary episode but it's also a two

for it because we got two guests and they an anniversary episode, but it's also a two-fer because we've got

two guests and they're both equally the best. It's a parent-child duo of accomplished ceramic

artists. Plus, there is another sibling who helps run the business and there's Jess in the

studio, although they're not on this interview, but many of you are freaking out, freaking out,

Wigan, just seeing their names in the title.

But if you don't know their work, they run the studio potted history as well as its educational

and very cool YouTube channel.

And for decades, they've been making museum quality replicas of these ancient ceramics

for institutions and museums and heritage sites and private collectors and TV.

And on top of that, they are very pro accessibility and they've run workshops on ancient craftsmanship for universities and lay people alike.

And they give advice for research projects.

They are so into the craft in the history of pottery.

There was no one else

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