From the Center for European Reform, this is the CEO podcast.

Poson us seriously the question of the

future that we want, and we all together, the courage to it

for us in Germany, is the beckrentness to the

European Europe, a part of our state's resource.

A strong united Europe is a necessity for the world

because an integrated Europe remains vital to our international order.

This is the moment for Europe to lead the way towards a new vitality.

Hello and welcome to the CER podcast. I'm Catherine Pye, Clara Marina O'Donnell Fellow at the Centre for

European Reform, and I'm here with Luigi Scatzieri, Research Fellow at

CER. We're delighted to be joined today by Natalie Tochi, who is Director of the Instituto

Affari Internationally in Rome and special advisor to EU High Representative Yosep Borel,

as well as being a member of CER's advisory board. Today we're going to be discussing

Italy's new government led by Mario Draghi, former European Central Bank president, who Luigi

wrote an insight about earlier this month. We'll be hearing what Natalie and Luigi make of the new

government, and then discussing its prospects, and finally, what it means for the EU.

Let's start with your thoughts, Natalie.

Some have characterised Draghi's government as a failure of politics,

given that political parties were unable to find a way ahead after the collapse of the previous coalition,

forcing Italy's president to call on Draghi to try to form a government.

Do you agree with this?

I would say that the Draghi government can both be, and the establishment of this government

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