From the Center for European Reform, this is the CIA podcast.

Poson us seriously the question of the

future that we want, and we all

all together, the courage to it construct.

For us in Germany, is the

Bekenness to the European Europe,

a part of our state's resolve.

A strong united Europe is a necessity for the world,

because an integrated Europe remains vital to our

international order. This is the moment for Europe world because an integrated Europe remains vital to our international order.

This is the moment for Europe to lead the way towards a new vitality.

Hello and welcome to the Centre for European Reform podcast. I'm Octavia Hughes, host of today's

episode. And today we're going to be talking about China's foreign

policy. China's closer alignment with Russia, Iran and North Korea in the wake of the war in Ukraine

is causing major concerns in the US and in Europe and is likely to lead to sanctions on China.

Relations between the US and China are fraught, with fears of a flare-up in the South China Sea.

Relations between the EU and China is somewhat better, but facing many strains.

China has been making concerted efforts to court the Europeans, seeking to pull them away from the US.

However, the European Commission's tough stance on trade issues vis-à-vis China is annoying the Chinese

and also creating arguments within the EU, with the Germans in a different place from the Commission.

To delve into all of this, I'm joined by our director, Charles Grant, who was recently in Beijing,

and by Dr. Yuji, who is a senior research fellow on China at Chatham House's Asia-Pacific program,

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