CER Podcast: Unpacking Europe: Can Europe still rely on the United States?

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🗓️ 10 March 2025

⏱️ 17 minutes

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Following the Trump administration's controversial comments and actions on Ukraine, tariffs and much else, CER director Charles Grant sits down with the director of Foreign and Defense Policy at the American Enterprise Institute, Kori Schake, to discuss what America’s hostility to the rules-based international order means for transatlantic relations. Produced by Octavia Hughes

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0:00.0	Welcome to the Centre for European Reform podcast. I'm Charles Grant, the director of the Centre for European Reform. I'm here today to discuss the impact of Donald
0:21.1	Trump on transatlantic relations with Corrie Sharkey, who's a member of the CR's advisory
0:25.3	board. She's also the author of a book coming out in September, which is called The History
0:29.5	of American Civil Military Relations. She's worked in the past in the National Security Council,
0:33.9	the State Department and the Pentagon, and she's a very eminent commentator on all
0:38.5	things international and defense and security-wise. Cori, great to have you with us.
0:42.9	It's such a pleasure, my friend. Thank you. So let's kick off considering some of the things that
0:48.2	Trump has been doing. And certainly the last month had been a month of shocks, starting with the
0:52.1	Munich Security Conference, where Vice President
0:54.4	Vance said the biggest threat to Europe wasn't Russia, but rather wokeism and Europe's inability
0:58.5	to tackle illegal immigration. Then we had a strange vote at the United Nations General Assembly
1:03.2	where a motion criticizing Russian aggression was opposed by America, Russia, North Korea and Belarus.
1:10.2	I hardly imagine I'm saying that. Even China didn't
1:12.7	pose it but abstained. Then we've seen in the last few days of hardline criticism of Zelensky
1:17.3	and no criticism at all of anything that Russia or Putin has done. Very recently we've learned that
1:22.5	America is cutting off military aid and intelligence aid for the Ukrainians. So Europeans were in a state of shock.
1:28.3	And meanwhile, of course, Donald Trump has started trade wars with Mexico, Canada, China, and the
1:32.5	European Union. So standing back from all that for a moment, Corey, in this strange world we're
1:36.3	living in. What do you think Donald Trump wants from Europe in terms of security and trade?
1:41.6	What do you think his objectives or ambitions are?
1:43.8	So my sense is that the reaffirmation of terms of security and trade. What do you think his objectives or ambitions are?
1:56.1	So my sense is that the reaffirmation of being elected in 2024 has created in President Trump a sense that there are only two categories of states, two categories of statesmen, supplicants and enemies. And they're
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