CER podcast: The Russia-Ukraine crisis as seen from Kyiv and Paris

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🗓️ 16 February 2022

⏱️ 29 minutes

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In this week's CER podcast on the Russia-Ukraine crisis, our foreign policy director Ian Bond is joined by Marie Dumoulin, a former French diplomat who now heads the Wider Europe programme at the European Council on Foreign Relations, and our former colleague Khrystyna Parandii, a political analyst in Kyiv and a Ukrainian citizen, who was the CER's Clara Marina O'Donnell fellow from 2019-20. While it is not clear whether Russia is really withdrawing troops or if an invasion of Ukraine is still imminent, Ian, Khrystyna and Marie discuss the mood in Kyiv and the Ukrainian government’s approach to the crisis; they consider French and German shuttle diplomacy with Ukraine and Russia; and they look at Ukraine’s relations with NATO and the EU. 02:06 - The perception of the crisis from Ukraine 06:07 - Macron’s relationship with Putin and Zelensky 08:15 - France and Germany’s approach - ‘good cop, bad cop’? 11:25 - Ukraine and NATO: Ukraine’s membership perspective 15:18 - The role of the EU as an institution in the crisis 20:55 - The EU’s role vs. NATO’s 24:45 - Where the crisis could go next 27:10 - Next steps for EU diplomacy

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0:21.4	This is the moment for Europe to lead the way towards a new vitality.
0:27.6	Hello and welcome to the latest podcast from the Centre for European Reform.
0:32.2	I'm Ian Bond, the foreign policy director of the CER.
0:35.9	And there's really only one topic worth discussing this
0:38.7	week, and I don't mean Novak Djokovic's views on vaccines or Prince Andrews relationship with
0:43.9	Jeffrey Epstein. The news that matters this week has been coming out of Russia and Ukraine.
0:50.2	Now, at the time that we're recording this podcast, it's not clear whether the immediate
0:54.3	crisis has passed, whether the Russians are really withdrawing, or whether Ukraine could
1:00.3	still face an invasion in the coming days. But we're going to take a look at the situation
1:05.1	as it appears from Kiev and to discuss the diplomatic activity that's been going on to try and diffuse the tension.
1:14.1	And joining me to shed some light on these issues are Christina Parandi, a Ukrainian citizen,
1:20.1	who was the CER's Clara Marina O'Donnell Fellow in 2019 to 20, and is now a political analyst in Kiev, and Marie Dumoulin, the director of the
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